> > actually it seems 2 axis are flipped. man this is confusing.

> Yep, just look at my diagram and you'll see what happend :

i can never load your pics for some unknown reason.

> http://www.eclipsemods.com/flyby/NORMALS/TS_style_spatial_diagram.png

> If you turn around the model so that the front is facing you, automatically left becomes right.

> It is not that confusing, but I suspect that the VSE1.6 uses a different coordinate system then what I have used to decode the normals.
> It is just a matter of reordering the indexes, nothing to worry about... ;)

it does worry me because i don't want you and Phoib and Alon to get confused while doing the ra2 normals. what's happened to Will? has he ditched again? why can't you just tell him to flip his axis. for a long time he got left and right mixed up now it seems he flipped an axis to try to correct it but he did the wrong axis. now everything seems rotated 180 degrees. right?