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RA2 normalsPhoib21:01 14-11-2001
Re: RA2 normalsViPr22:16 14-11-2001
Alright, started, but still some questions:Phoib18:36 15-11-2001

> make sure you're viewing a voxel with ra2 normals first of all. i would pick one that has very rounded parts. like the kirov or the hovercrafts skirt or the flying saucer.
Or the V-3 Missile. Also nice.

> use the ability of the paint program to take a snapshot of the screen while Olaf's voxel viewer is running in normals viewing mode.
OK: here's the first prob:
- When viewing the bottem of the saucer, you can see that XCC will display 10 sections, while the viewer in the SE will show 14! Am I having a problem with telling gray-shades apart, or is one of the editors wrong?

> use the dropper option which is used to pick up a color from one part of an image to use somewhere else on the image just because this option will tell you the number of the grey color at a certain spot. write down those numbers around a sphere. remember that the normals are distributed like the faces of a sphere. so guess what horizontal & vertical angle the normal is trying to represent. in other words if the normal was on a voxel of a sphere then where would it be? i think you should remember that there are 15 horizontal angles and 16 vertical angles (think of this like columns and rows if you like) . and that i believe none of them represent absolutely up and absolutely down but near to them.
No, there is a top, and a bottem. Looked at the bottem of the saucer, and there was one greyshade (016) for the bottem, and the same was on the cable-tram. I think that 232 is the code for the top. See below for additional comments.

one number probably also means fullbright. if i were you i would probably represent the sphere on a piece of paper as if it was squashed down from the top so it bursts like a star with 15 sides or appendages or spikes or whatever you want to call them where the center means up and the ends mean down. write down the numbers along those "arms" of the star.
So there will be 16 numbers (the vertical) on each spike. BUT: are these 16 numbers divided on a 180-degree base (so back and front doesn't matter in vertical numbers) or do they come back, so divided on a 360-degree base?

> you should also note that Olaf's viewer reverses left and right so for example the millenium falcon which has it's cockpit on the right side will appear to have it on it's left side. so after you take a snapshot you should flip that image left right to stop from confusing yourself. btw Will's viewer is the same.
OK. Mirrored

> btw the 15 16 thing could be wrong but i'm pretty certain it's that way. i guess you could confirm this by looking at the flying saucer and counting how many slices around there are since the saucer appears to be perfectly round.
Yes.

> now i want only one person to be working on this coz it would be a waste for multiple people to do it. so try it out for a short while and if you think you can complete it then tell me, otherwise just quit and let someone else volunteer. don't volunteer to do it and then not do it coz then you would be wasting our time coz nobody else would be working on it coz they would be counting on you to do it.
I think I can complete it, but I when I have a couple of spikes (or layers, vertical) I want someone to look at them and try to figure out the algorythm behind it. Will post the numbers in a new post.

> btw in Olaf's viewer, for the ra2 normals, the normals numbers are directly used to get the grey color, but for the tiberian sun normals they are multiplied first to get the grey color that's used on the screen.
Won't look at TS normals.


Re: Alright, started, but still some questions:ViPr23:39 15-11-20016
    Re: Alright, started, but still some questions:Phoib00:36 16-11-2001
        Re: Alright, started, but still some questions:haydn01:32 20-11-2001
            Re: Alright, started, but still some questions:Godwin18:21 21-11-2001
                Re: Alright, started, but still some questions:ViPr02:29 24-11-2001
            Re: Alright, started, but still some questions:Koen van de Sande04:05 24-11-2001


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