can we bring this all to hostile please, its a much easier chat interface, but boy if i could have gotten my hands on delphi to have a intelligent conversation... :) i would have told him what for, would have climbed all over his arse. u needed to corner him and blast him with good traits, a newb thats not intelligent enough to know how to get to xwif or use it isnt our fault. we could still use it. if i was u olaf id be soooo F***ing pissed westwood hasnt done crap as far as i can see to help you, if they wanted to really try they would be talking to you, putting a link to you on their website, helping you intergrade it but as far as i can see they're cheap, jealous and lazy