> > See if that helps...
> nope, i moved the hosts files from windows and nothing, it doesnt even look like its trying to connect me, when usaly the red wave goes back and forth, on my it doesnt. any other ideas

Red wave?

Hmn... let me think about this.....

If I can't come up with something Olaf might. You'll have to patiently wait for him to return .

meselfs himself!